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jrh312



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:43 am    Post subject: Education permits in PA Reply with quote

Hi, I'm new here, but not really new to the world of owls. For the past few years I've been doing wildlife rehab, and about half of my time with that has involved outreach programs (GHOs, short-eared, barred, and screech owls mostly with a few other raptors and some mammals for most programs). Next fall, I'll begin teaching high school bio if all goes as planned, and I intend on keeping up with the outreach programs throughout the summer or whenever else I can fit it in. I'd like to continue with owls, but I'm getting conflicting advice on how to go about doing it.

For a nonreleasable owl like the ones I've been using, would I need a falconry permit or a rehab permit (or both?) in order to keep and use one?

Thanks, and I'm sure you'll all see me around here more often!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, I downloaded the sticky PDF file at the top of this forum but it gives me an error (invalid path) when AA tries to open it. Anybody else having problems viewing it, or can a mod PM me the file in another format if there is one?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean the sticky for the Owl Awareness sheet? I tried and it opened for me so I don't know what is going on there... As for the permits, you need federal and state permits, depending on the species will determine how many you need. You will need at least a Special Purpose Possession Permit (i'm fairly certain) and will need to have permission in that permit if you plan on taking the bird to off site programs. You'll have to check with US fish and wildlife services (PA would be Region 5 last I knew) and then with the permit office in PA (Game Commission I believe)... You only need a falconry permit if you would be actually hunting with a raptor (in which case you would need to become a liscensed falconer) it is completly different from rehabilitation and education permits. I suppose I went on a bit of a rant Very Happy I hope something in here is useful... let me know if you need clarification or have other questions!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I was hoping to hear actually... I'd rather not have to go through all the years of training and work to get a falconry permit when I never intend to fly the bird in the first place. Actually, all of the birds I've used so far, with the exception of the barred and one RTH, have been missing a wing or at least part of one. I couldn't see how I would need a falconry permit for something like that, but that's what some people who claim to be in-the-know have told me.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrh312 wrote:
Also, I downloaded the sticky PDF file at the top of this forum but it gives me an error (invalid path) when AA tries to open it. Anybody else having problems viewing it, or can a mod PM me the file in another format if there is one?


Sorry, that was my bad, it was still pointing to the address of the old forum - though the automatic redirect should have made it still work...

anyway, 'tis all fixed now Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, I've worked at 2 wildlife centres in 2 different states and neither had a falconry permit for their educational raptors, and the one i'm at now actually flies some of their birds, but since we don't hunt with them or trap them from the wild we don't need falconry permits. glad I could shed some light on the tricky topic of permits! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyto22 wrote:
Nope, I've worked at 2 wildlife centres in 2 different states and neither had a falconry permit for their educational raptors, and the one i'm at now actually flies some of their birds, but since we don't hunt with them or trap them from the wild we don't need falconry permits. glad I could shed some light on the tricky topic of permits! Very Happy


That's really cool, it sounds like it'll be easier than I was expecting it to be...now I just need to find a place that's big enough. I doubt my downtown apartment that barely houses myself and 3 snakes will suffice...lol

I don't think I mentioned it earlier, but my hope is to eventually get a GHO (it's a few years off still) for the educational stuff. I have developed a huge amount of respect for that species in particular for some reason.

Deane, I tried another .pdf file awhile ago and it gave me the same error for some reason, so it's probably just my computer that's screwing up. A word of advice when shopping for computers: You're better off to buy a child's Speak n' Say rather than a Compaq PC. The technology is about equal, and you'll save some money.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I dunno about the "easy" part, permits have to be renewed yearly and you must keep meticulous records. The hardest part will be setting up an acceptable facility, not to discourage you because it certainly can be done, as you've worked with these animals before you understand the work involved. Also be sure you have a vet near by that is willing to treat your birds. Good Luck and please keep us posted about your progress!!! Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming I stay in the area I'm in now, I have the vet part taken care of already, which is nice. I know it certainly won't be as easy as having a traditional animal under my care, but it's something I've wanted to do for a long time so I'll make it work. Personally, I think the hardest part will be having to kiss the PA Game Commission's a-- in order to get the permit(s) in the first place. The more I interacted with them through the rehab center, the less respect I have for them Mad
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